Am I right in understanding that in one thread, you say that eFrogs as a “empty speculative NFT” does not deserve a good reward, and in this thread at the same time, you actively support the opposite point of view, which obviously rewards your wallets?
That’s sad.
This information was pushed in all sybil channels and publics on the Internet as a great investment opportunity. What does loyalty and fidelity have to do with it? The faithful and loyal are those who passed this testnet and minted independently. They are the ones who need to be given bonuses.
in case of lxp for nft, there was no speculation
This information about scoring each lxp was given by the team.
I don’t know what to answer you but…
Personally, I am in favor of rewarding efrogs as a project and then let the distribution be done individually
Or
reward the efrogs nft holders in main drop but also other communities (froglets,foxy,bunny,frox etc)
This is not the topic of this thread (both of your ideas are illogical, to which you have already been given more than one answer in the relevant topics --upd-- so the rest of the community and NFT won’t be offended anyway, lol, who was ever against it?). It is just quite obvious that you are hypocritical and lobbying your own interests. It is sad to see this on the forum.
I am not against rewarding LXP whales regardless of the origin of the LXP. And yes, these NFTs are an example of purely speculative ones.
I was also in favor of granting more lxp to those who owned the original testnet nft and did not liquidate it (I myself still own an alpha which I will never sell) unfortunately it did not pass.
Someone sold his nft because he doubted,did testnet for nft and its resale, needed $ to invest elsewhere.
Another bought because he sensed it might be profitable
and that’s how it works.
The only fair way is to implement tire system. It’s fair and solve Sybil problems. Everyone will be rewarded base on hard work, dedication and loyalty.
100% agree mate
Considering the contributions of users before the Dencun upgrade, I believe these individuals deserve a multiplier to honor their efforts. This multiplier would fairly acknowledge the early supporters who conducted high-cost test transactions and supported the network.
On the other hand, during the Linea Park event, many people created excessive accounts, taking away the rights of others. This has devalued the efforts of genuine contributors. Therefore, implementing an LXP limit is essential. However, this limit should not be a simple barrier. It should come with a cost—a cost that is significant enough to reflect true commitment to the ecosystem.
Such a measure would not only filter out those who exploit the system but also encourage genuine contributions. It would provide an opportunity for those with sincere intentions to engage with the ecosystem while preventing unfair advantages for those who exploit the system.
In conclusion, introducing a multiplier for pre-Dencun contributors and stricter LXP criteria for the post-Linea Park period would reinforce the sense of fairness within the community and enhance the sustainability of the ecosystem.
I support this idea.
In general, knowing the Linea team, I have no doubts about the quality distribution and consideration of all the interests of a healthy community
I tend to agree with most of what you said there.
People are confusing some of the things I said as if they are what I think is best, the 400 minimum is one of many possibilities, I also think it’s too low personally, the only reason I said potentially 400 was if the team wanted to be super nice and not exclude anyone that only did cultrure szn, I think that’s a bad idea at this point though. If you look at my very first post, I suggested somewhere between 1200 to 2k hard cut as a baseline to start from.
My assumption was that the team might want to include people that did just Culture. But the more we discuss the issue the more I agree that it should not be done period. (And I didn’t think it was a good idea in the first place). It was minimal effort I agree. And I think really the hard cut should be set around 1500 to 2k as you say, I agree with that. As I said in my previous post that you had just replied to. I have refined some of my ideas with new information and thinking some things through more, primarily this hard cut number, because after really thinking about it, if someone did just most of park and culture they would still qualify at 1500 cut. And as you said and I’ve mentioned before as well an exception could be made for some number of pre-dencun transactions if they wanted. I think this is reasonable and logical.
Users left out for only doing culture szn is a pretty minimal time and gas cost and I don’t think anyone can really make a strong case that leaving them out is significant.
Still disagree with Seia’s and other’s ideas of mega tiering. I guess I’m not terribly concerned though as I kind of doubt the team will want to give the top 50k or whatever insanely multiplied rewards, like 8k vs 4k instead of getting 2x getting 10x or some silliness. I can maybe see a greater tier over 4 or 5k perhaps like I said but doing mega tiers toward the top is not cool and won’t go over well.
When you do stuff like that you shift the total distribution dramatically. Where as if they made everyone over 4 or 5k get a multiplier, then everyone in that top 130k to (i don’t know how many at over 5k) then you get a more equal and fair distribution at the top across a large enough group of wallets. Zk goofed by giving an enormous amount to a very small group, and it seems like perhaps quite a few of the top lxp holders are here on this forum lobbying for mega multipliers haha. Well, you can and it’s a free country but it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea imho. Giving mega outsized rewards to a very small group at the tippy top pretty much never goes over well.
If they DO want to do a pretty big multiplier though, like say 2x or 3x even I think if they apply that to everyone over 4 or 5k at say like 2x and everyone over like 5500 a 3x or something that would be more reasonable than doing 4x/5x or even higher multiples and the groups be larger and more fair. If they did it that way I think if they really wanted to do big tiers it would be the most acceptable way to do it. Something like 2k to 3500 tier 1 x1, 3501 to 5k tier 2 x2, 5k+ tier 3 x3. (To be clear I still mean linear inside each tier and then apply multiplier). This would make the top tier a reasonably sized group, probably somewhere between 10 to 20% of all qualified and not a crazy outsized multiple that would piss everyone off below.
Also if they did that, other than maybe still pre-dencun gas bonus for trx outside the voyages, there probably isn’t any need for most of the other bonuses like in my more linear scenario and those with over 3500 in tier2 are pretty much guaranteed to have quite a few pre-dencun trx to have gotten that much lxp, even much over 2k probably does. Suppose it would be a lot simpler too. I guess I’m warming up to the idea of reasonable tiers, I just still dont like the mega tier ideas or all sorts of random points like in that other dude’s example where he had points for a bunch of arbitrary stuff. LXP has already been distributed and should be what it goes by either way, tiered or mostly linear.
@dfox more ideas ser.
ZK didn’t give prizes to real users at the top. It made a prize distribution in a completely insider way. These two are not the same thing.
It is different for a person to receive the reward he deserves and to distribute insider rewards.
Zk did not have a scoring system.
I will find it hard to understand why you still don’t accept that people who put in a lot of effort should be rewarded well enough.There are not that many people at the top and rewarding them will not reduce anyone’s share.Please you should have some understanding.
Tell me you bought a ton of nfts without telling me you bought a ton of nfts and want a x10 multiplier for yourself… lol. Jk… I see you changed your pfp from the moneybag kek. <3
I dunno why after all I said above you guys are still giving me crap, it’s like you’re not even reading it.
Zk did have a scoring system and it was awful. Insider or not it created massive concentration to like the top 3% iirc. It was something like the top 3% got 30% or some insanity like that. Is that what you want? Because it’s literally what you and seia and TSZ are asking for. Mega multiplier tiers over 4k or whatever. x2 or x3 tiers even I don’t know how everyone would actually feel about but seems reasonable, much higher though really doesn’t at all.
According to your arguments,then can you tell me any benefits of trading with a single wallet? i.e. why should we use a single wallet instead of 10 wallets? do you know what ethical values are?
Do you think the difference between the simplest wallet and the biggest wallet should be 5 times? So we should make the sybils happy by maximising the reward with 5 simple wallets. Yeah, that’s a great idea.
You just need to think about it. Instead of attacking real users, you’re defending people with low effort but a lot of wallets. Which do you think is fair, what you say?
Tell me one single benefit of keeping Sybils and multi-account users happy.
Or why we should favour the less labour-intensive multi-account users.
Let’s put that aside.
Are you setting the metrics that will make the difference between someone who puts in months of effort and someone who puts in a few weeks of effort?
Everything is registered on the onchain and it is clear who did what.
I’ll do what I want as a profile picture. Stop the ad hominem.
I wish you success with your dozens of wallets with low lxp.
Bro…
Did you read this?
Yes, I read it. And I can still recognise the selfish approach behind your fancy sentences 
There is a very serious difference between 5k lxp and 7k lxp. There is not a 1.5x .
Go and look at the data in the lxp ranking on dune.
7k lxp → top 5k user (Even the 2k wallet that accidentally earned thousands of lxp is probably among them.)
5k lxp → top 50k ???
The difference is 10 times.
Of course, you will not give the person with 7k lxp 10 times the reward you give to 5k lxp, but if you keep the reward between the tiers low as you think, then only multi-account users will be satisfied.
Even if we leave aside multiple wallets, there will be no advantage to having high lxp.
According to you, the difference in reward between 7k lxp and 5k lxp should be almost the same. Then is the cost of the 5k wallet higher or the cost of the 50k wallet? How do you plan to cover that cost? You’ve got another 45,000 people to reward. 10 times fewer people on the other side.
As the ranks increase, the number of users who make serious efforts to earn lxp decreases dramatically. So don’t be selfish and think it’s ridiculous that everyone is rewarded the way they deserve.
Ok. You’re right its not 1.5x, its less.
I understand your argument, I just don’t agree with it the rank maxi idea.
Some guy is 5k lxp and another is 7k. Rank does not equal work. Mr 7k did not do 10x as much as mr 5k did.
The rank maxi argument is completely illogical and I have already stated such, you just keep disagreeing as if rank magically equates to massive levels of extra work just because the rank is higher. It doesn’t. IF it actually took someone 10x as much work then I would say sure ok that’s reasonable, but it’s not, because it was definitely not even remotely close to that much more. We could make any number of leaderboards where the points have all kinds of different spreads and thus “ranks”, here, with LXP, we are talking about numbers that are NOT far apart. You are literally using the example of someone with 5k, vs 7k. This is less than a 1.5x difference in actual work, but saying just because of the way you can look at “rank” that suddenly it’s not 1.5x more, it’s 10x more.
I have an extremely hard time envisioning someone with 7k having done even 2x as much work and time input as someone with 5k. IF, they even put in time at all and didn’t just buy a boat load of nfts…
You can make your argument all you want I guess, again, it’s a free country, but I’m never going to agree with it because imho it’s just plain silly.
Also, again, this would be an enormous mistake and mega concentration, apparently you don’t care. I can only hope the team realizes how terrible a mistake that would be otherwise god help us all. The nuclear implosion on twitter would be something to behold, that’s for sure…
You may see everything you don’t have as small and unimportant because others do it. This is your shortcoming, not theirs.
You may have neglected some things or done something incomplete, but some people took it seriously and made almost constant efforts.
That’s just your weakness mate.
Of course you have had low lxp at the time and you may have thought you could dictate this to people by organising the necessary lobbying.
You guy are really weird.
You prove that you lack the ethics to compare a wallet in the first 5 thousand with a wallet in the first 50 thousand and try to justify it.Do you realise that all you do is belittle the efforts of some people and try to glorify your own low proposals?
No. What makes no sense is NOT making it linear. What DOES make sense IS linear, as it has already been distributed fairly. There are very few that want these tiers and its these high horse elitists, I think the team is probably well aware of that though and smarter.
This part is genuinely amusing. A user regularly following Linea and participating consistently in activities doesn’t make them elitist; rather it makes you an irregular participant. Collecting 8-10k LXP didn’t require having tens of thousands of dollars. It just required maintaining user retention, which Linea deeply cares about. So, you had the opportunity to do it as well.
In this context, It is entirely natural for users who have provided this retention to support the tier system and demand recognition for their consistent participation. At the very least, it’s much more reasonable than irregular participants trying to pull those at the top down.
There’s no difference between arguing with this and arguing with a wall, mate.
According to this friend, everyone who makes little effort should be rewarded equally with everyone who makes a lot of effort.
He sees himself much superior to someone who both collects lxp and buys thousands of dollars worth of nft.
Uh huh. No I think people should be rewarded fairly for the work they put in and someone with 7k vs 5k did not do 10x the work. You know this, I know this, but you realllllly want to make me a bad guy for not agreeing with you completely ruining their launch with massive concentration. Ok.