Airdrop design - Maximizing User Sentiment & Chain Success

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Projects that try to “be friends” with everyone and reward everyone equally always go wrong, just look at the case of LayerZero, for example. Do you know why? Because, as Murad said in a Linea live stream, there’s only one way for a project to be successful: to turn ordinary people into millionaires, which generates tremendous marketing.

If you think Hyper didn’t do that, then I suggest you study their distribution model more carefully. They distributed a finite number of points per week, which meant that users who joined early earned an absurd amount of points, while those who joined later earned almost none. This resulted in the largest rewards being concentrated among the top 1-2% of investors. Or do you think people would become millionaires if it were done any other way?

Linea should focus the rewards on the top 1-2% yes. Anyone who disagrees either doesn’t understand how the market works or is a sybil, afraid of poor allocation across their dozens of wallets.

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The statistics he used for the LXP was wrong and he has already addressed that, try and follow the conversation, its a long conversation. I agree with your optimum.

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I agree, but they shouldn’t be the only ones

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yes it was possible, even without the easter bonus, so i suggest the minimum should be above 1500

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Did they ever actually honor that? I kinda thought they rugged those guys that self reported lol. Which I’m perfectly ok with.

All for this idea, except for the 15% self report, just rug em lol.

I’m not sure this would catch that many actual industrials though. Afaik, a lot of industrials seem to always create brand new wallets and hard focus one thing with them. That was why I suggested there be an eth main chain check for at least 1 trx, or at least a few trx on ANY other L2. Wallets that have purely only linea transactions might be industrials basically.

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Agree. It will be like basic check up

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Thanks for laying this out all super clearly, the multipliers here are actually more than I was thinking it seems.

I think pretty much everyone agrees on a 1500 minimum cut level up to a 2k hard cut level.

The likes on your post one would assume are likely from people with 6k+ lxp, which it seems is basically everyone still posting on this thread.

Kind of a bit of an un-representative of the whole echo chamber in here at this point, objectively.

Those numbers get straight up insane bro. 8k getting 10x more than 5k is nuts.

Definitely don’t like that. I’m ok with some tiering but I think the multipliers should be lower and less total tiers. That is going to actually maximize sentiment where as in your proposal a very relatively small portion of users will get absurdly higher rewards vs even someone with 5k! And someone at the bottom will feel like they got dust compared. There is way too much disparity there and also too much concentration at the top imo.

Here you have the top 1.6% getting 15% of the supply.
And the top 2.7% getting 22% of the supply.
This is pretty much exactly what Zk did, and it did not go well, sentiment was awful with everyone except that very small 3% at the top.

I think we could do something more like this:
Set hard cut at 1500 = approx 530k wallets remaining
*Cutting beyond 530k wallets remaining really seems quite un-necessary, pretty good number already and well balanced.

1500 to 3000 - x1
3000 to 4000 - x2
4000 to 5000 - x3
5000+ - x4 (approx top 10%)

This would also be hybrid, everyone gets reward according to their actual lxp, then times multiplier. Also, so that there weren’t dramatic steps in the tiers they could maybe break them down to smaller lxp groups and apply more incremental multipliers but still scale about the same to 5k+ at x3 or x4.

Again I think it is a bit questionable, IF we were all being completely objective (which we clearly are not), if tiers are even appropriate at all for something earned as LXP was. If they are done, there shouldn’t be enormous multipliers. x3 or x4 is already a lot.

Lastly, one bonus should still apply to either model, tiered or my bonus system way above, and that would be pre-dencun gas. Capped so arbitragers and similar market makers don’t take majority of it, and counts all pre-dencun trx even ones outside voyages.

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I would probably object. Not all participants completed all tasks and treated activities as work. I think it is also necessary to evaluate the number of events and activities that were covered, this will help to avoid false filtering. But if these are naked newly created accounts with Linea Park and only, they should definitely go to the trash.

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Cutting everyone under 1500lxp is not being friends with everyone.
54.5% of all wallets cut, down to under 550k.

Layerzero didn’t do anything wrong with their drop. It was quite good. Arguably imo what they did most wrong was only allocate a small % of the total to everyone. Everyone who qualified had spent a good amount of fees. If they had done 10%+ I think people would have been much happier overall but I know quite a lot of people that were grateful for L0 giving them something when Zk gave them nothing. Sentiment everywhere I’ve seen for Layerzero is pretty good, not bad. Also, it was done mostly linearly, based on fees. I’m not so sure this is a good example and if they had done mega tiers I think its pretty safe to say sentiment would have been absolutely awful in their case specifically.

Hyper is a whole different beast, and again a mostly linear drop… Sure you can say they rewarded the top the most on this one and that makes perfect sense because it was totally different. Hyper and LPX-L are pretty similar. LXP should be entirely different.

Your idea of rewarding the top 1 to 2% of LXP and thinking that somehow Linea will be sung with praise forever more is extremely flawed. No. That is not how you do it. You make a large number of people very happy, that’s what you actually do.

Did Arbitrum reward their top 1-2% exclusively at the cost of everyone else?
No.
In fact they had a cap.
Yet have been regarded as the gold standard for a long time. Why? Because everyone that qualified ate good, and that was over 600k people.
That, is how you do it.

That’s cool you and pretty much everyone else here want to favor yourself and you think that the other 98% is going to go around twitter for the rest of time praising linea for giving them pocket lint and making the top 2% millionaires but I don’t think that’s how reality would actually work out. Color me skeptical.

Do you really think that everyone in the 1500 to 6k group, literally 97% of everyone, is going to say, you know what I’m sure glad they gave those top 3% guys 22% of the entire supply!

By your logic, why wouldn’t they just give everyone else nothing and everything to the top 2% right? Just give them everything and then you’ll have really maximized the sentiment to the fullest extent possible! And that’s how the market works guys! I can see it now, the other 98% will definitely be all over twitter talking about how happy they are that the top 2% got everything like it should be. If they don’t they’re probably sybils anyway. Yup.

I think we have the >6k / top 3% really, really well represented here, but I’m not so sure about everyone else? lol.

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1.5k - 2k threshold is a must have

1.5k LXP + pre-Dencun txns - eligible
2k LXP - no pre-Dencun txns - still eligible

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The thing that I understood on the forum is that there are always people appearing once a month lobbying their own interest without any desire to reach the consensus.

The whole idea of decentralisation is to give the governance right to as many independent people as possible without rewarding software abusers.
Top mistakes Linea can make are either

  1. rewarding the most sybil populated range 0-1.5k LXP
    or
  2. not setting a cap on top wallets, giving tops everything and nothing to others, creating a huge equality gap and negative vibes, with rewards mostly concentrated in the hands of top holders
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Why wouldn’t the minimum threshold be set at 2000 LXPs?

There were ample opportunities to earn LXPs, such as participating in various campaigns or purchasing NFTs from secondary marketplaces. These opportunities only required simple actions like timely button clicks and active engagement within the Linea ecosystem.

Essentially, the amount of LXPs earned reflects the time and effort invested by each user.
Here is the list of campaigns:

l1
l1504×901 71.9 KB

l2
l2592×814 60.7 KB

Don’t you think these campaigns were enough?

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If you look at the graph you will see that there are very few people in the upper echelons.And still someone is suggesting that so few tokens to be distributed to so few people is too much.Dude I think you are crazy :smiley: Why shouldn’t someone with 10k lxp get 10 times more rewards than someone with 4k lxp? Look at the amount of rewards distributed.
Nobody tied you up so you wouldn’t try any harder.
Can you explain to me why someone with low lxp but dozens of wallets should earn more than a person with high lxp?
The fact that there are a small number of people at the top of the ranking does not mean that you should ignore them. These people are the people who use Linea continuously and make a lot of effort.

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Look at my suggestion, above.

As a person in top 3k LXP holders I absolutely love the idea of 2k threshold, but when it comes to statistics you realize 2k will definitely cut off like 800k wallets out of 1.3k possible POH holders, which is quite sufficient.

So you may make it less cruel, allowing genuine users to receive something plus reduce the amount of false positives, simply:

  1. 1.5k LXP and have pre-Dencun txns (many sybils don’t have them) - you’re eligible
  2. You don’t have pre-Dencun txns ? But you have 2k+ LXP - you’re eligible

To my mind it’s a perfect and the softest threshold combination possible. In addition to few bonus points for some onchain achivements the team consider sufficient, it may become the most fair distrivution with tiers being implemented

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Nah, tbh 10 times difference between 10k LXP and 4k LXP is too much, esoecially if we know there are also people under 4k and there are a lot of them, so it will basically make a 40x+ parity between like 2k and 10k, which is not healthy imo, knowing that there might be additional bonus points accelerating the parity gap.

as I said above:

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I honestly love the idea of rewarding tops, it sounds fair at least for me. But it’s always a big concern to calculate a “fair” gap between the best and the worst wallet, without offending anyone. If 2k LXP holder gets 100$ and 10k LXP holder gets like 700$ it’s 100% unfair, as well as the situation when 2k LXP holder gets 100$ and 10k LXP holder gets 4k$. We also know that supply is not elastic, so giving more to one always means taking more from another.

It’s always a neat process with different tradeoffs. That’s why I love tiers and different possible bonus points. We better stop arguing with each other and ask for higher % on 1st distribution, that’s how we can reach a state of the world with as many happy people as possible

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I am not defending the 2k lxp owner to get $100-$200. However, if the 10k lxp owner gets $4k, there is a problem here.
Just think about it. Someone with 2k lxp and 20 wallets participating in the Linea park has spent much less effort and money than someone with 10 thousand lxp.
If it were not so, the number of people in the ranking would not be like this. While the number of people with 10 thousand lxp and above is 77, there are 250-300 thousand people on the other side.It is obvious that there is a serious multi-farmer attack on the Linea park.

our goal is to destroy sybils and in this way real individuals with 2k lxp can get good rewards.

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There will always be a situation where you can split one wallet using N other wallets. I mean calculating the reward for one wallet expressed through other wallets.
The top will get $10k and 2k will get $1k = the difference can be expressed in 10 wallets. The top will get $20k and 2k will get $500 = the difference can be expressed in 40 wallets. This is the problem that in any outcome, 1 wallet can be expressed through several other wallets. The problem is that sooner or later the moment will come when the costs of the same 10 or 40 accounts will be equal to the costs of 1 account, which has the same amount of LXP in total.

And again the tradeoff appears. As far as I know if you started Linea Park from the very first week you could easily spend 40$, not a small amount. Let’s assume you got 2k LXP for such wallet till today + 5$ in fees for SZN and other side campaigns (roughly), so it’s 45$ for 2k LXP in total. You, as a person who started from degame, accumulated 8k-10k LXP and according to me personal account spend around 200$ on fees only. So in terms of expenses it’s around 5 accounts with 2k LXP relative to account with 8k-10k LXP, but the difference in rewards is already huge if we assigns 100$ to 2k and 4k$ to 10k. That’s what I’m talking about. We cannot decompose 1 wallet in terms of N others relying on LXP only, don’t forget about fees paid. That’s why I’m defending the idea of pre-Dencin txns being an important factor when it comes to rewarding

2k LXP accumulated from week6 is not the same as 2k LXP accumulated from week1. One paid 40$, another one paid 3$ in fees
@Loza

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I agree with your suggestion mate, however, it’s important to note that sybil farmers can mimic Arbitrum’s model by:

Bridging a small amount of funds (e.g., $1-10) once before the Dencun upgrade and then engaging in multiple swaps within the same day or week, simulating the behavior of a genuine human user.

There it’s come gas fee spent criteria, and valid transactions and average transaction volume.
Sybil has less chance to pass average transaction volume as they have to manage 1000s of wallets.

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Actually, what I am defending is briefly this.
In my eyes, every lxp owned by real users is very important.
And they definitely deserve to be rewarded.
But industrial farmers are their worst enemies.
If we set criteria to eliminate them, there will be no problem.
Then a prize for the best users will not upset anyone.

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